Batman v Superman

In the finale of the Snyder Series (for now), the guys dissect the Ultimate Edition of Batman v. Superman, explaining how Batman and Lex Luthor's goal to destroy Superman embodies the Hatred of the Good. To close out the episode, Justin discusses how exactly Zack Snyder shows justice dawning.

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Theatrical Cut

  • Lacks transitions
  • Longer African scene
  • More Lex

Cultural Response

  • Dark and not fun
  • Introspection and Intellectual discourse being seen as dark and not fun?

The Theme

  • “The fact is, maybe he’s not some sort of Devil or Jesus character. Maybe he’s just a
    guy trying to do the right thing.
  • “Men with power obey neither policy nor principal. No one is different. No
    one is neutral.”
  •  Images, motifs
  • Fight at the football game over FU TD
  • Objectivism
    • HotG
    •  Similarities to
      • Atlas Shrugged
      • Watchmen

The Characters

  • Everymen
    • Wallace Keef
      • How someone comes to hate the good – victimhood
    • Senator Finch
      • Collectivism
      • “To have an individual engage in these state level interventions should give us all pause.”
      • “How do we determine what’s good? In a democracy, good is a conversation, not a unilateral decision.”
      • “Does he act by our will or his own?”
    •  The Kents
    •  Their advice and the relationship between men and women
  • Men of Ability
    • Lois Lane
      • What it means to worship the good
      • “I just don’t know if it’s possible…for you to love me and be you.”
    • Wonder Woman
      • A mini-echo of Clark’s journey
    • Lex
      • What it means to hate the good
      • Why does he hate Superman
      • His father “waved flowers at tyrants”
      • “The bittersweet pain among men is having knowledge with no power
        because that is paradoxical.”
      • “Maybe we can partner on something.”
      • WK: “Who the hell are you?” “Just a man.”
    • Batman
      • He is a villain in the movie because he hates the good
      • Psychological trauma
      • Everything with Batman is falling/going down
      • “They taught me the world only makes sense if you force it to.”
      • “Men are still good.”
    • Superman
      • What is his conflict?
      • Continuation of Man of Steel
      • Why fight if he’s just going to be attacked for it?
      • “No one stays good in this world.”
      • Jesus imagery

The Resolution

  • Martha Scene
  • Wonder Woman and the email (and Turkish Airlines)
  • “This is my world. You are my world.”
    • Connection to Martha’s advice
    • Was it a sacrifice? If not, what makes it heroic?
  • The funeral and the monument
    • How has justice dawned?
      • “I failed him in life. I won’t fail him in death.”

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